Oh come off it Broon
The would be Lord Protector's interview with Marr is showing up in all the usual places, and any reading of it is likely to prompt outbreaks of 'come off it', 'yeah, *right*' etc etc, but I suppose the stand out element is this: "But he made clear that he plans to take a much more inclusive approach if he takes power, saying that he wants "a Government of all the talents" drawing on expertise from outside as well as inside the Labour Party". The LibDems are not foolish / desperate enough to fall for that again, surely? Or are they? Or perhaps he means to co-opt a few 'independent' businessmen who just happen to give money to the Labour party?
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Charlotte Corday, over on Iain's, said his hair looked clean in the interview, and suggested that maybe Andrew Marr had washed it for him.
Frankly, I'm not getting too exercised about any of his pronouncements because until I see a photograph of Blair's cold, dead hands being pried off the doorknob of No 10, I am not expending energy having thoughts about Brown's intentions.
I see Tony has come out with a condemnation of the way Saddam was executed. Well, you could have knocked me over with a feather! He didn't approve of the way it was handled! Neither does Patricia Hewitt, which I am sure will devastate the Iraqi establishment.
Blair adopted his lofty, hectoring tone, as though offering an original and insightful point of view. A waste of time given that every blog in Britain and every blog in all the newspapers has been full of condemnation for the way it was handled for the past week.
It is not, however, any of our business how Iraq handles its internal affairs, so an extended period of silence from Tone would have been appreciated.
I have only seen clips of the interview, but, from what I have seen, Brown was particularly weaselly over the Saddam thing: condemning the generality, whilst leaving it open to the listener to assume he was agreeing with them. But not actually making it clear whether he was opposed to the death penalty per se, the fairness of the trial, the fact the hanging was video-ed or the fact that S was heckled in his final moments. Also, the sneaky way he pronounced 'Sunni' as 'Soon-eye' _ as if to say 'I have been so far removed from the government's Iraq/ middle east policy (squirreled away in the treasury) that I don't even know how to pronounce all these funny foreign words...' This could just be paranoia on my part, of course.
Churchill made a pt of saying Naazi. The frogs say Nazzi.
Uncyclopedia quotes D Cameron as saying Saddam shd have had a hug 1st, and that the gallows shd have been made from wood from a sustainable forest.
(I believe the wood was bits left over from IKEA, Saddam City.)
Salaam a tout le monde.
Very waggish Suttonian.
A sense of unreality comes over me each time Brown's taking prime ministerial office is forcibly fed through the media again.
The media, and some political blogs. are riding roughshod over the problems of a Brown assumption.
Apart from the fact that he has enormous difficulties with what I believe is called the pragmatics of communication (he's without insight and loathsome);
his fiscal squeeze is wringing the life out of taxpayers in general but specifically out of those who are vulnerable to Brownite control and harvesting systems (i.e. those with mostly earned income or recipients of income from funds set-aside and invested for their later lives);
he sits for a Scottish seat (regardless of his origins) and, as such his personal, local electorate is already represented in the Scottish Parliament on regional matters (that is almost everything except foreign policy and fiscal matters);
besides which, he is paying the wages of lots of them from the inappropriately high taxes he is levying in the English regions of the UK, particularly the Home Counties (so his local electorate is voting on their own employment and income levels to the detriment of the wealth producers unrepresented in the Scottish Parliament).
His international contacts, with the US or with the EU, however they are regarded, the most important of our contacts, are at very low levels; who does he call, I wonder, when he needs to speak to someone in the US or the Union?
Then there is an over-arching problem that only Giuliano Amato, in Italy seems to be thinking about and calling for contributions to address, which is a crisis of the accepted norms of liberal democracy in the political stresses created by headlong economic change.
As it has been suggested that this is a slow day, I wondered if we are not becalmed in false newsmaking when we ought to be alarmed, or at least discussing, fiscal take, inter-UK relations, electoral representation, the nature of party power and the denial of the clear expression of voters intentions, the explosive effects of dramatically different levels of economic growth within a single state.
Brown, and the importance of shoe-horning him into office without making him face the electorate, is in the way of all that. Indeed all that must be kept out of discussion or he won't make it; hence the painted ship on painted ocean feeling I suppose.
Hatfield Girl - I enjoyed your contribution, but I did not understand this paragraph:
Then there is an over-arching problem that only Giuliano Amato, in Italy seems to be thinking about and calling for contributions to address, which is a crisis of the accepted norms of liberal democracy in the political stresses created by headlong economic change.
Could you elaborate, please?
I agree with your 'painted ship on a painted ocean' analogy. There's been a certain dreamlike, unreal quality to events over the last few days ...
Yes Hatifeld Girl I agree with evrything you have said and I would like to agree with the remaining paragraph.If I were in real life i would smile and silently panic but at this distance I will admit I `ve no idea what you ,mean,
Little words for stupid people please
HG - Magnificently put. Thank you.
6.17 here I go. 6.26, No stupid people here.
Representation without taxation sums it up.
Nation states used to be fairly homogeneous so one man one vote within the boundaries worked very well, despite disputes about electoral systems (very dull, we all know the ifs and buts there).
Globalised economy hotspots like the great cities - London, Milan, Frankfurt - or prime resources areas - the Causasus, Middle East, central sub-saharan Africa, put all that aside.
I don't mention the US because there are experts looking, and the federalised US system copes better .
No-one would think it reasonable that voters outside a nation -state should vote for resource allocation within it; the force and rapidity of globalisation is creating levels of heterogeneity within states that pose this same difficulty.
It'salways been very marked in Italy and Amato wants it thought and talked about publically, before secessionist northern parties break the Republic or afford destructive opportunist support to minority parties.
Also it yields irresponsible fiscal policies squeezing different electorates differently leading to all kinds of distortions and inevitably, corruption as the voter fit fails to match the tax base.
I don't have solutions but I would like public debate and not its deliberate suppression. I I fear it's not 'correct' to think about democratic representation but Amato is no right-winger, indeed a long-standing socialist.
publicly. sorry.
How is marr still credible as a political interviewer. I enjoyed his book, My Trade, very much. A useful insight into a new world for me.
however his interview technique is to ask one question and then change the subject. This morning for example he asked 'The West Lothian Question.'
Broon, astoundingly, said he saw little problem that he would do nothing to change, but of course there were plenty of readily available options for the English.
Really, the man must be a genius because I have not heard a decent answer yet that maintains the Union.
Luckily for us, Marr just left it here and asked another question. Maybe all he is interested in is keeping them coming to his show and his Labour wife off his back?
Interesting, HG. The US federal system would naturally cope better because all the citizens want to be in the United States, and to that end, they're prepared to make short term sacrifices, on occasion.
No one in France is interested in making a short term sacrifice to save British cheese-makers, for example. Good for the Italian.
6.26. I hope I didn't sound discourteous; I meant to say that everyone making remarks here seems terrifyingly sharp.
Dont worry HG
Im here to lower the tone.
Are you following Big brother?
I am - yours was the only post I could properly understand - Ken has walked out this afternoon - Cleo to win - she still bears the scars of that afternoon in Mundesley Mr Hitchens and you must vote for her 1000 times in recompense!
Funny that I `m rather terrified of Hatfield girl’s mighty brain ( Verity goes without saying).I think what your opus is true HG .It is reflected in the great regionalisation of voting patterns in the UK . This what gives the political debate this extraordinary somnambulist quality Politicians are increasingly ignoring most of the voters to concentrate on a numerically insignificant number of swing voters in-swing seats .
Broadly in the South gigantic majorities are stacked up for the Conservative Party and any number of these can be sacrificed to obtain one or to disgruntled public sector worker or Liberal in the Midlands . Obviously the temptation is to tax lost areas to bulwark supporting areas and so the fissures grow . This why the UK is separating at such an unseemly speed ,support for devolving is now higher in England than in Wales or Scotland and Gordon Brown cannot go on prattling about the Union. This is another reason he may be tempted to go for an early shot at power
This factor also contributes to the growing movement of people within the UK and outside it . Far from making the place homogenous people are grouping together. Conservatives , ie productive good people , move to the good areas and leave behind them a lost subhuman beast people …Labour supporters. That is why the boundary commissions requirement s are so terrifying to the lying Scotsman it 40 seats and everything in the polls .
He must go early he wants it he needs it my precious.
HG I understood what you were saying perfectly it was only the Italy part because I know so little about Italy.
You are a very wise woman. I shall come to you for herbal remedies for warts and such.Incidentally when you think abaout what david cameron has to do to win a lot of what irritates the partyy and the right is less irritating .We must win.
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