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18 Doughty Street

I'm off up to town to sit on the 18 Doughty Street couch to attempt to talk politics with Shane Greer (standing in for the Dalemeister) and Paul Osborn of CWF. The site does not give any details as to what's on the agenda or whether anyone else will be joining in.

Should be entertaining - for me at least.


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Blogger Newmania said... 11:18 pm

I sent a few emails in which they ignored. Shane Greer seems ok but the little Tory Boy was a nasty smarm pot. That is excatly what I mean about learning to tack cliches together and passing for the real thing .

What that programme needs is a bit more disagreement I think  

Anonymous verity said... 11:33 pm

Well, I couldn't tune in. It just kept saying Buffering. It never told you what percentage was buffered, so one hung on and hung on, but it was ridiculous and I closed it.

Also, I don't know why I can never get any decent sound on the site, especially from the person sitting on the far end of the couch and the person in the middle. I'll get, "Well, I think ... chunter chunter chunter cluck cluck. On the OTHER hand cluck cluck cluck."

Iain says I am the only one who complains. Am I also the only one who gets the endless Buffering ... message?  

Blogger Praguetory said... 6:05 am

Agree re disagreement. My viewing was swiftly interrupted by the boss, but a programme where people are discussing the best right-wing solution (whilst intellectually stimulating) missed out on the usual rancour.  

Blogger Croydonian said... 10:15 am

Sorry the feed was acting up. The discussions definitely need at least one contrarian in order to give some texture.  

Blogger CityUnslicker said... 11:20 am

I could not watch either, feed issues too.  

Anonymous Anonymous said... 12:39 pm

Actually, I liked the "Tory Boy" (Alex Williams?). You looked so bored and tired! I switched off half way through and went to bed.  

Blogger Peter Hitchens said... 2:37 pm

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Blogger istanbultory said... 2:45 pm

Words of wisdom from Mr Hitchens there. I am not alone on the feed issue-that's a relief. C, I trust you were as erudite as ever. But frankly, I have given up on No18.....  

Anonymous verity said... 3:26 pm

I have, too, Stamboul Tory. Half the time, it's not accessible. For the other half the time, it's got Rachel North on it.

What is the bloody point?  

Blogger istanbultory said... 3:32 pm

True enough, V.
Rachel North is a major disincentive.  

Anonymous this guy said... 5:23 pm

To use the word c*** is surely to make a c### of yerself in public.  

Blogger Devil's Kitchen said... 6:25 pm

I got on OK with Rachel; I mean, we're never going to agree on anything, but we both smoke and that was an ice-breaker...!


Blogger Croydonian said... 7:04 pm

Hitch - thanks for the kind words, but I think you went a bit over the top with Justin, who is a good sort. It might be for the best if you deleted your post. Fair?  

Anonymous Mike Rouse said... 8:35 pm

Interesting comments. I'll try and see if I can take any of them forward to the team, particularly those about getting people who disagree on the set more often.  

Anonymous verity said... 8:47 pm

Mike, what about the endless Buffering? I waited about two minutes before thinking, "This is ridiculous" and clicking Refresh - which didn't change a thing.

Other people above have mentioned that they also have problems.  

Blogger Newmania said... 1:25 am

Well Mike if you are looking see if we can see a bit less of that pain-the-arse-Rachel-sodding whatever-her-bleeding-heart - standing-for-victims-everywhere, name is . She is insufferable

I also found it almost impossible to watch because of the feed .Why not sit me next to the sack of self satisfied lard you will soon see a disagreement then !!  

Blogger Newmania said... 1:30 am

I got on OK with Rachel; I mean, we're never going to agree on anything, but we both smoke and that was an ice-breaker...!

TRAITOR!!!!And all it took was a kind word from a fat bird. Typical  

Blogger Newmania said... 1:30 am

I got on OK with Rachel; I mean, we're never going to agree on anything, but we both smoke and that was an ice-breaker...!

TRAITOR!!!!And all it took was a kind word from a fat bird. Typical  

Blogger Newmania said... 1:36 am

Devil`s Kitchen = Tragic Nerd who is putty in the hands of the first reall life women who has ever spoken to him

Just a theory ?  

Blogger Croydonian said... 11:40 am

N - I would advise against picking a fight with DK. Having met the lady he associates with, your theory happens to be incorrect too. Anyway, re your other comments, everyone knows that sacred cows make the best filet mignon ((C) Julie Burchill).

Back at the plot, I would re-iterate that a bit of disagreement on core ideas rather than marginalia must make for more interesting television.  

Anonymous David Allen said... 1:58 pm

Well, I was glad to see they asked you back again, C, you always add a bit of class! However, I too always experience terrible access problems to 18DS _ I never go more than 5 minutes without my connection breaking and needing to repair connection etc., this is immensely frustrating and I'm afraid I gave up shortly into the 2nd hour. Is this just a problem with my broadband provider (TeleWest) or is 18DS just not providing enough bandwidth for its growing band of vewers? (I don't understand the technical issues).  

Blogger Croydonian said... 2:04 pm

David - Kind of you to say so. One does what one can....

I have not had any technical problems accessing the stream of late - using Firefox / XP and and an ADSL connection. Mike Rouse who posted earlier in the thread is one of the tech chaps at the station, and I'm out for a jar with him (and sundry others) next week so could seek further and better particulars.  

Anonymous verity said... 2:13 pm

I clicked off in a temper after the endless buffering. It never even tells you what percent (if any) is buffered, so you could at least judge if there was any movement.

And one of the few nights that you had Croydonian on and were giving the ubiquitous Rachel North a miss. She is a preachy, know-it-all pain in the arse. You can always tell a know-it-all as they speak in the plural. "We have to acknowledge", "we have to remember", "we mustn't ignore the sense of injustice". Rachel speaks for the world!  

Blogger Devil's Kitchen said... 7:39 pm


Your theory is, needless to say, incorrect.

I agree that there could be more disagreement on 18DS; one of my most enjoyable times was when I told Hilton and Burgin that I thought that socialism was worse than racism (Croydonian leapt in with some interesting support too!); the hissing of their indrawn breath was a delight.

I think that a good old barney would have added a considerable amount of interest...


Anonymous verity said... 1:58 am

Socialism, being mental sraight-jacket all-controlling, is worse than racism. The machinery of socialism is locked in.


On a day-to-day basis, the British are quite forgiving to people from overseas. Once, I would have seen this easy attitude as confidence.

Now, I see it is weak, needy and conquered.  

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