tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14058325.post4442940530335232511..comments2008-03-18T10:09:24.072ZComments on The Croydonian: One thousand very confused GreenlandersCroydonianhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14670533609622717223noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14058325.post-64544922907409595392008-03-18T10:09:00.000Z2008-03-18T10:09:00.000ZConsidering mutualism is considered both socialist...Considering mutualism is considered both socialist and libertarian and is individualist I don't think the two are mutually exclusive.<BR/><BR/>As a term, there are also two meanings of libertarian socialism. One is the use of the term predating modern libertarianism. I would agree that to most in the UK or US this would not be libertarian.<BR/>The other is the left wing, anti-capitalist individualist philosophies which are based upon voluntary action. Those I would argue are libertarian. They may have faulty reasoning or make assumptions that you or I might disagree with, but they are definitely libertarian.<BR/><BR/>I suppose this is a game of definitions so is ultimately pointless, but just because someone describes themselves as socialist I don't see that as reason to doubt their libertarianism. The proof will be in policies and philosophy...Tristanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15395992764678278326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14058325.post-54135730894481170582008-03-18T07:49:00.000Z2008-03-18T07:49:00.000ZTristan, there is scope for all sorts of finessing...Tristan, there is scope for all sorts of finessing, but collectivists of all stripes have serious problems with certain economic acts between consenting adults. That rather limits their ability to be libertarian.Croydonianhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14670533609622717223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14058325.post-42868715557109911862008-03-17T19:30:00.000Z2008-03-17T19:30:00.000ZLibertarian socialism sounds like a euphemism for ...Libertarian socialism sounds like a euphemism for anarchism.Rosshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02263275229285861236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14058325.post-61601621925330067322008-03-17T18:45:00.000Z2008-03-17T18:45:00.000ZGiven socialists arguably have prior claim to the ...Given socialists arguably have prior claim to the term libertarianism I don't see why its so odd.<BR/><BR/>Also, within modern libertarianism there is plenty of scope for socialists.<BR/><BR/>Would you deny that <A HREF="http://www.mutualist.org/" REL="nofollow">Kevin Carson</A> is a libertarian?<BR/><BR/>Socialism does not mean Marxism or state socialism, just as libertarian does not mean just the Libertarian Party or the Ludwig von Mises Institute.Tristanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15395992764678278326noreply@blogger.com